Reservations

[TheFilmist]

CGI generally ruins movies. It's lazy. It's fake. It encourages silly action, like Matrix style wall climbing, or weird gravity defying kung-fu jumps, or Avatar jumping 30' from tree limb to tree limb, etc.

For those with ADD it's awesome. For those wanting story and real action and real stunts, it sucks. I refer to my earlier comments about making GREAT movies, which ended around the 1980s, versus making shitty CGI movies which is what we seem to get today at 100 times the cost.

I can think of a ton of great story lines between MM1 and MM3, and I'm not being paid millions of dollars to write them. Surely if 1% of that 150,000,000 $ budget spent on MM4 were devoted to story they could create something interesting versus a linear cross-desert 90 minute chase.

Go back to right after MM1 ends. Society is still on the brink. The BoB is pristine. Some of the surviving gang is hunting down Max. He has to battle with them. He joins up with some MFP members. That's the first 1/3rd of the film. Somewhere along the way he gets his dog. We get updates on the war and collapse. In the background are conflicts over water, food, supplies, and guzzoline. Lines for fuel are long and violent. Perhaps a dignitary escort hires Max and a few former MFP members (similar to the MM4 angle of traveling with Furiosa) to get him out of the city safely to a secure location. Maybe see missiles fly overhead. Bright flash in the distance from where they just came. Total chaos ensues. Roads become violent nightmare and ambushes. Lots of violence and desperate people. Max modifies the BoB and heads for the outback. Runs into constant conflicts. Surely someone more creative than me could introduce something really interesting like another Thunderdome.

Thinking about MM4, a 200 mile chase isn't even realistic. Think about it for a moment... Someone in close proximity would be able to stop the vehicles by disabling the tires or engine... The superior side would quickly defeate the inferior side (whether it's the cat or the mouse). In a post apoc long distance car chase across the DESERT (sand, heat, unpaved roads, etc.), many vehicles would simply break down, overheat, or run out of fuel over a several hour chase. It's just silly to think otherwise.

Consider the MM2 semi chase. The Maruaders were slowly defeating Max by attacking the defenses and tires. They had killed Papagalo, and all of the defenders on the rig, and punctured several tires. He was losing. He had to turn around to defeat the attackers.

Why is there always one of you on every message board, Jesus Christ

[leadcounsel]

Why is there always one of you on every message board, Jesus Christ

I could ask the same question of you... the world is full of brain-dead drones who will eat every pile of drivel with ZERO critical thinking skills... "der, people can climb walls and jump safely from tall buildings and catch bullets in mid-air like in the movies..."

Critical thinkers, although a dying breed, actually prefer our movies to have some basis in reality, even the sci-fi ones.

[TheFilmist]

No, you seem like a particular type of overly-attached fanboy who doesn't actually know a thing about filmmaking, or care about what constitutes good storytelling, but is instead attracted to trivial things like continuity (in a series where its never really been all that important to begin with) and how much better your wanky ideas are than the literal director of the film and creator of the character himself. Also, your weird thing about CGI.

[leadcounsel]

No, you seem like a particular type of overly-attached fanboy who doesn't actually know a thing about filmmaking, or care about what constitutes good storytelling, but is instead attracted to trivial things like continuity (in a series where its never really been all that important to begin with) and how much better your wanky ideas are than the literal director of the film and creator of the character himself. Also, your weird thing about CGI.

"Trivial things like continuity..." Enough said. Please oh great omnipotent one, impart your film making wisdom on my lowly undeserving soul. FYI, continuity was extremely important in MM1, MM2, and MM2. Ever notice that in MM2, *strong* reference (eg the first 5 minute montage) was total continuity to the first film. Did you happen to notice the strong continuity from MM1 and MM2 to MM3, like when he tells Auntie he was a driver? The fact that he has a pet, like the dog in MM2? The linear train chase in MM3 like in MM2? Max's character, behavior and outfit. Etc.

CGI isn't or everyone. Deal with it. "Literal directors" have killed other great franchises like Star Wars and Indiana Jones with CGI mania. Jar Jar Binks ring a bell? Yep, George Lucas creation! More films have been ruined with it than benefited from it (with some notable exceptions).

For someone with the name "The Filmist" your statements demonstrate you're clueless.

[madasmax2015]

Why is there always one of you on every message board, Jesus Christ

I could ask the same question of you... the world is full of brain-dead drones who will eat every pile of drivel with ZERO critical thinking skills... "der, people can climb walls and jump safely from tall buildings and catch bullets in mid-air like in the movies..."

Critical thinkers, although a dying breed, actually prefer our movies to have some basis in reality, even the sci-fi ones.

I think you miss the point of the Matrix completely !

[madasmax2015]

Fury Road is practically a CGI-free movie.

Doing real stunts with real cars doesn't mean "practically a CGI free movie"... Did you see the trailer ? Sandstorms, flying cars, landscapes...

it could be 80% CGI free, we wont know till we see it.

[roadwarriormfp]

Fury Road is practically a CGI-free movie.

Doing real stunts with real cars doesn't mean "practically a CGI free movie"... Did you see the trailer ? Sandstorms, flying cars, landscapes...

it could be 80% CGI free, we wont know till we see it.

Ok going on about CGI is really beyond me... at no point did miller ever say it would be CGI free. He did however did say at one point that CGI would be used in a minimal way and that all the stunts with the vehicles were real and the CGI would be used to enhance things (eg like explosions... because people were actually driving! so unless you want to kill your stuntmen, small explosions real, larger ones added.)

[pauli77]

Though I started this thread to give people the chance to voice a different opinion, I do think fury road will be a good action film at least and I'm looking forward to it. Won't know till the final cut of it's nothing more than that but it doesn't look like it.

[MachRider]

Yeah, I think we need one more thread for those who think FR is crap, period.

I mean, from what we've seen and heard I really have zero concern about Fury Road being bad action movie. Or even having a bad storytelling, knowing Miller's track record.
We could discuss the mithological aspects and whether Max gear fits the timeline and other fanatical stuff, but come on, bringing up Lucas and wachowsky brothers... It's not 1999 anymore, we're now in post-Nolan era where blockbusters are actually allowed to be good movies in their own right.

And Funny how nobody ever complains about not having guys with bloody arses running across fields and raped girls chained to a car, and gutted dogs hanging from trees, and chopped hands dangling from cars... It ain't Mad Max if it hasn't got that!

[pauli77]

Yeah, I think we need one more thread for those who think FR is crap, period.

I mean, from what we've seen and heard I really have zero concern about Fury Road being bad action movie. Or even having a bad storytelling, knowing Miller's track record.
We could discuss the mithological aspects and whether Max gear fits the timeline and other fanatical stuff, but come on, bringing up Lucas and wachowsky brothers... It's not 1999 anymore, we're now in post-Nolan era where blockbusters are actually allowed to be good movies in their own right.

And Funny how nobody ever complains about not having guys with bloody arses running across fields and raped girls chained to a car, and gutted dogs hanging from trees, and chopped hands dangling from cars... It ain't Mad Max if it hasn't got that!

At the time, there wasn't anywhere for people to voice negative comments when I started this thread and it was before the trailer. I was voicing concerns on what we had seen and certain narrative elements.

I have consistenly said it looks like a fun action movie so I hope your dig isn't at me .

Your Nolan comment is actually one that I raised in defense of not having to make dumb action movies, which I think this may be. However, we won't know till it comes out; but either way I'll enjoy it as a good cinema movie.

Your last point is actually important, despite your phrasing lol. All those things were important narratively and tonally. The BoB that everyone moans about is just a cool car lol. Though there is a whole Frankenstein metaphor which I like, that's since been widened to the gangs stuff.

I'm happy to wait and see anyway. But people are entitled to voice a different opinion, just figure it's better to have a thread for it.