Let's rewrite MM2

Post by **rockatansky4073** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:37 pm

yeah, but there is occasional 'wear and tear' that should have occured like the sun bleaching or tyres sagging, and also yeah your right max could out run anybody, but the movie is like 2 years or something after the first one, alot can happen in that time, not only would max have been that low on gas a hundred times before (DOG tells us this with his whimpering and hiding), but marauders have weapons and sh*t, he woulda been fired at by all sorts of weapons, shoulda made marks in the car everywhere.

And lets not forget that damn MONZA FRONT END shoulda come off in MAD MAX.

does anyone remember a certain scene on a bridge? listen to that loud BANG as (i presume) MAX plows head on into DIABANDO, CLUNK, STARBUCK and MUDGUTS on that bridge heading two off the bridge and two rolling all over it. But then again the car wasn't made in OUR time it was made A FEW YEARS FROM NOW...

Post by **DetritusMaximus** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:40 am

Who says that everyday life is full of maruaders? Fear of them, yes. But actual encounters? Perhaps they aren't as frequent. Or maybe the gangs tend to ride into and take over towns, not really that much 'out there'. Much like Toecutter's and Humungus' bands. Tear them up, take everything worth having. Like locusts. Or 'moths to a flame'. Everytime I start thinking about any particular aspect of Road Warrior or Thunderdome, I see the origins of it in the previous movie. So many parallels and very minor things are expanded upon. Pick a part of RW or BTD and look for a kernel or seed of that idea in the previous movie(s). Think of how Toecutters gang survived, and look at how it translated to Humungus' bunch. All the things not said in the movie. How DO they survive? Food? Parts? Maybe the mayhem in RW is actually atypical. If there are no more parts being made, and you don't know when you will find something you can use, you'd be a little reserved with trashing your vehicle (vehicle=survival), even for a tank of gas. So maybe they were MUCH closer to being stranded out there. Desperate men do desperate things.

And how about the truck at the beginning? What's it's story? The Refinery people knew nothing of it. They weren't expecting anyone since they, apparently, hadn't sent anyone out yet. So who was it? Where were they going?

And where has the Gyro Capt. been?

Are the Gayboy Beserkers really ex MFP? Or are the uniforms and cars trophies?

Post by **rockatansky4073** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:08 am

I never thought the 'berzerkers' were cops, max was a cop, and though this issue has been raised before (about morals), but i think in some aspects- once a cop always a cop, atleast when it comes to savagery anyway, they may scavenge and sh*t like max does, to survive, but not murder for the sake of it.

I always wondered how the vermin distributed fuel. was it what was found was for all, or whoever found got it, cause if fuel was that important and precious, i doubt there'd be that many people willing to share.

i always thought it was a pretty big gamble too, sending out those 4 vehicles to look for 'a rig big enough to haul that fat tank of gas', they coulda been searching for months, i doubt they were given that much gas to last. i mean what were they gonna do if they couldn't find anything? how could they have made it back through that valley to the compound without getting killed? Max can take care of himself and even he had to wait till the valley was empty and the vermin busy. though in the novel some sentrys were left behind to watch out and they used mirrors to signal each other on opposite hills and sh*t.

I've played hundreds of senarios in my head for all the characters and vehicles in MAD MAX 2. come up with some cool ones, i just wish there were a series of novels or something written about all the characters, including trivial characters like the drivers of the truck and each member of the vermin and the compound.

Post by **Mud Guts** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:31 am

About 3 years, someone on this forum, starting posted his story about how the some of the vermin became vermin. I can't remember who but the story was about guys in the Red Falcon(?) that gets blasted by max in the tanker chase. It was posted around the time other guys were posting their MM tales.

Post by **Uncle Entity** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:36 am

Everytime I start thinking about any particular aspect of Road Warrior or Thunderdome, I see the origins of it in the previous movie. So many parallels and very minor things are expanded upon. Pick a part of RW or BTD and look for a kernel or seed of that idea in the previous movie(s). Think of how Toecutters gang survived, and look at how it translated to Humungus' bunch. All the things not said in the movie. How DO they survive? Food? Parts? Maybe the mayhem in RW is actually atypical.

That's gold, Detritus Maximus. Pure gold. You guy, damn smart... you KING ARAB!

You know, the Mad Max universe is very realistic, after all. I think it's a sort of mix-up between "fantasy" and "realism", that's the real key to understand it in the "proper" manner.

You have to feel the "time" on your skin... figuring it out.

I don't think Max was fighting Marauders for 365 days at year, because he survived for 20 long years in the Wasteland, since the civilization started to crumble and his family went killed: 1998-2018. An huge arc of time. If he survived for so long, probably he faced much LESSER battles than the many ones we use to imagine... So, I suppose the "Dogs of War" encounter was just one of the outstanding events in the Road Warrior-era, and the "Waiting Ones" encounter was much more outstanding than it, if you know what I mean. I think places like the Refinery were also very frequent, in the Road Warrior-era. On the other side, I guess Bartertown was the only focal point of Australia's remnants, 15 years after... the other "civilized" structures looked like Jedediah's "home", and were hosting just two, three or four people... not more than 6 or 7, if you ask me.

Bottom line: Max lived a desolate life, in a silent exile from an humanity no longer being.

I'm curious about Rockatansky4073's point of view...

Post by **DetritusMaximus** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:39 pm

Uncle- Thanks for the compliment. It's just that I like movies that no matter how absurd, or far fetched, that it was treated with an eye towards realism. As I used to say (back in the days of "thirtysomething') that I want realism, yes, not reality. I get enough of that. Everyday.

I've had over 20 years to contemplate just how a person would really survive in Max's world. No miraculous caches of ammo, gas, or food. Stuff gets used up fast and given the scenario of Mad Max, there wasn't that much left anyway. Think of how you would do it. What do you know, what skills do you have, what do you lack that could be a severe handicap? What risks would you feel were acceptable? Eyesight, hearing, two hands with thumbs attached. These become the things you protect at all costs. No ridiculous risks that we take right NOW because there are paramedics, doctors, and hospitals to fix us if something goes wrong.

Here's a question (kind of morbid, but be honest with yourself): If you were going to lose a limb, which one could you do without? And I mean the whole limb? An injury we could easily take care of now could lead to amputation in Max's world. Let's see what thoughts people have on that......

Post by **Uncle Entity** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:09 pm

Detritus Maximus, as always, enlighted very interesting and fascinating points... I'm quite satysfied there is such a fantastic member in the Mad Max Community... I feel less alone, kind of. On a certain extend, there is someone who gets a really similar approach to the trilogy as I use to have. Please, for the other ones, you're all special and wonderful... I'm just talkin' about approach tipologies - many of us really get a lot of "qualities" in relation with the "Mad Max OPUS". For example, no one can compete with Deaths Head Berserker's knowledge about MM weapons, vehicles and items. Otherwise, no one can compete with Rockatansky4073's enthusiastic attitude towards the middle fragment of the Mad Max OPUS commonly known as "THE ROAD WARRIOR".

As I used to say (back in the days of "thirtysomething') that I want realism, yes, not reality. I get enough of that. Everyday.

Holy words. Just keep in mind the Mad Max saga is about "a" realism, but a poetic one. It's not a paradox... just a new type of reality that is sliding infinite, endless doors in our one.

I've had over 20 years to contemplate just how a person would really survive in Max's world. No miraculous caches of ammo, gas, or food. Stuff gets used up fast and given the scenario of Mad Max, there wasn't that much left anyway. Think of how you would do it. What do you know, what skills do you have, what do you lack that could be a severe handicap? What risks would you feel were acceptable? Eyesight, hearing, two hands with thumbs attached. These become the things you protect at all costs. No ridiculous risks that we take right NOW because there are paramedics, doctors, and hospitals to fix us if something goes wrong.

Incredible. Just think that ONE of the options in Thunderdome's WHEEL is "amputation". Just think Max went blind in one eye (the left one) and I think he agreed to drive the Tanker in the Road Warrior-era because he truly felt he hit the bottom: being without an eye means being very close to death. Anyway, this assuntion was true for the Road Warrior-era. In the Thunderdome era things are APPARENTLY going better.

And I guess - I'm sorry Aunty, but I have to say it - I REALLY guess that's why Aunty "saved" him in the first place, after the vehicular crash. Max was wounded. Injuried. And he was alone in the Wasteland. It means death, in my vocabulary. Unfortunately, Aunty understimated Max's resistence and resilience.

Here's a question (kind of morbid, but be honest with yourself): If you were going to lose a limb, which one could you do without? And I mean the whole limb? An injury we could easily take care of now could lead to amputation in Max's world. Let's see what thoughts people have on that......

The legs. Definitely. I'm quick... I did a lot of sports in my life, athletical disciplines in the first place. I'm a natural born runner.

Post by **DetritusMaximus** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:32 pm

By 'realism', I mean that cars don't 'explode' when hit by a bullet in just the right spot. Fights that last 20 minutes, take a couple kicks to the head and see how well and how long you can continue. Jumping a car 100 ft. and it keeps driving just fine. No one recovers from serious injuries (gun shots, car crashes) without having some reduced mobility.

Basically, take a crazy situation and tell it as if it was absolutely real and subject to the consequences of the real world as opposed to 'movie world'.

My favorite 'flaw' is in 'cop' movies. Usually low budget or 'foreign' (Hong Kong or Israeli cinema) films. The good cop is framed for some crime by the bad cop/politician and becomes a wanted man. But, since all the other cops are after him (mind you, they don't know what's going on, they are just doing there job trying arrest a 'bad' cop) and are taking orders from the 'bad guy' it makes them 'bad guys'. And therefore, gunfight fodder. The 'bad cop' (the good guy) is allowed to shoot and kill the 'good cops' ('bad' only because the hero has to fight them to get to the real bad guy).

And why is it, in films where the 'good guy' is trying to protect the 'girl' by saying, "Wait here.", she immediately follows him only to end up in the clutches of the bad guy?

Post by **rockatansky4073** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:26 pm

Another thing i always found, um, dodgy, was MAX's stubble he has the same length all through MAD MAX 2. but the length isn't too long, it looks about 5 days worth to me, meaning he shaved just before we got to him. how? did he have a straight razor or did he find a cache of razors alongside his box's of dog food.

plus check out THUNDERDOME. same amount of stubble as we just left him in MAX 2.

Post by **DetritusMaximus** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:14 pm

The 'stubble' issue falls into the same category as characters in tv shows (usually science fiction) that always wear the same outfit. They never change. Uniforms aside, (although, renegade/loner soldiers/cops seem to keep wearing the uniforms of the hgroup they have rejected or are no longer viable entities), even 'cultural' clothing (Star Trek is good for this) is the same throughout an episode. Worse yet, EVERYONE in a particular society/group wear identical outfits or their government must have mandated that all clothing be designed by one person with a only half dozen detail changes.