Question about mad max 1 ending...

[Mad Max 2050]

And who would you be meaning by "certain people" being able to live off the land??!! HAHAHA


Seriously though, never in all the viewings of Mad Max did i ever think of it being after the war, society IS in terminal decay, but no bombs have dropped, yet.

[AdrianUK]

Mate, any sign of attack and i'm heading straight for you pad! that's what i call self sufficient! LoL!!

[Foxtrot X-Ray]

*Slides Adrian a Cold Lager or ale of his choice*





No Worries, Mate..





Got a bit carried away debating Possibilities.


There's so much in these films that's left up to our imaginations, whether by accident or design.





Can't help but consider other possibilities when the ideas occur.

[AdrianUK]

You're right mate, I think after a while you end up just going over old ground knowing full well that knowbody is gonna budge on there opinion, then the more a debate goes on like this one the more heated it tends to get.


Right, gonna have that cold lager, but it wont need to be outta the fridge, Siberia has descended on the UK in abundance!

[Mitch]

Ok, late to the game here, and I just skimmed over the thread, but my take on it has always been that a conventional or tactical-only nuclear war went on prior to/during Mad Max, and then after Mad Max, but before Mad Max 2 there was an escalation into a major nuclear exchange that hit most, if not all of the large cities in the world.


If the US and the then-USSR got into a conventional war in Europe or the Middle East, as was the favored scenario of the '80's war planners, then Australia would be affected much as is described in the first film. Economic and societal disruption, but still an organized nation. But add the nuking of Sydney and the major coastal cities, as you would have in an all-out nuclear exchange and all you have left is the outback. Very rural and non-industrialized. So everybody tools about in the wasteland, avoiding the coastal areas because of the fallout.


Beyond Thunderdome is that society on the way back.


Works for me as far as a timeline.


Mitch


Mitch

[catz]

Just like Mitch, just did a quick scan, but honestly.


The catchphrase for Mad Max was, "when the gangs take over the highways, remember he's on your side".


Mad Max was simply meant to be a one-off. Byron wrote the movie, George produced it, and it was supposed to be it.


Someone got greedy, decided to do another and lost the plot completely - not too difficult to work out.


Catz

[Mitch]

Accusing me of NOT doing an honest scan?


"That's dishonest. Low..."


Mitch

[tla2]

I just had a thought as I was watching MM again. Toward the end, when he's going to look for Johnny the Boy, he passes the "Prohibited Area" sign. Is it possible that in the slow degredation of society, the lawlessness already exists on the interior of the country, and the only true "civilization" is on the coast? Maybe the sign is posted to warn people not to go any further because there is no law. If that was the case, there certainly wouldn't be any commerce crossing the region and would make fuel scarce there. The narration at the beginning of Road Warrior uses alot of metaphors and is very vague as to how the war progressed. Could it be possible that even during MM2 that the society in MM could still exist on the coast? Maybe wandering out into the wasteland was Max's way of escaping his past and (the status quo). Obviously, in MMBTD, there are several references and the shots of Sydney, that indicate a nuclear strike of some type happened. If you take it that way, it would indicate that the war (or at least the nuclear portion) happened after MM2. Just a thought, I'm not even sure if I buy into it, but is certainly a possibility isn't it.

[roadwarriormfp]

I tend to agree with the theory that MM1 was set before any major conflict had occured. While certainly society had decayed and lawlessness had shown its ugly face, the world was still basically intact. No where is there anyone with radiation poisoning, or even appearing remotely sick (except poor old Benno). The fact the underground mechanic referred to the car as the last of the V8s means simply that V8s were no longer produced, due to the high cost of fuel. Remember Roop says...."Im supposed to drive this crate..." meanings its an old peice of sh*t!. Max's BoB car in his world was a late model vehicle, not an XB. The MFP were created seperately to the regular Police force to combat the highway gangs. (you can see the regular Police at the night time accident with a Victorian Police XC Falcon station wagon in the back ground along with two officers wearing white overalls(?) and Police hats from the accident investigation team.The regular Police along with the MFP would have been strained to the limit and the regular Police force in my opinion were only available in the larger cites. Hence Max and the Goose responding to the biker problem in Jerusleam and the "Dark One" responding to Max's plight with Cundalini's hand. The first thing to be cut in a budget would be services to the outback and the bush area's.


The reasons for the war were clearly stated in MM2. "The Black Fuel"... Oil. Is today's situation any different to Max's world? The monopoly of oil by east africa has caused the prices to spiral up. Which in turn causes a follow on effect on the world economy. In Max's world the 2 tribes (the USA and the USSR) fought to control the oil fields (much in the same way why Japan (in WW2) declared war on the USA as talks about oil stalled). Who ever controls the oil fields, controls the world economy. Socially the increased costs of everything would strain relations from families to government. Putting it simply, Max's world was crumbling due to the high cost of living.


Some have argued that Australia would not have been a target in Max's world. I beg to differ. Clearly in MM3 we see Sydney destroyed and Sydney harbour empty! The ocean simply gone. The effect of the crater would simply stop the water from running back into Sydney harbour. And why attack Sydney? Not for any strategic importance... but simply the fact there is no better way to demoralise the population of a nation by killing 1.5million people in one simple blow. Of more importance is the U.S. listening post of PINE GAP here in Australia. I doubt very much that a bomber would be flown half way around the planet to destroy that target. (along with the enormous amounts of support aircraft.. ie tanker aircraft). Simply a low yeild nuclear weapon delivered by a MIRV carring missle with 3 warheads would simply cover this..The 3rd target would simply be the capitol city of Canberra.


2000miles from here on the coast could literally be anywhere on the Australian coast line as the country is simply too big. But when you look at the postcard roll open you clearly see "Sunshine Coast" on the front....(or was it Gold Coast???) which are both right here in sunny Queensland anyway.


The gang's had taken over the highways already in MM1, but have appeared even more feral in MM2 by the simple fact that the clothes they wore normally were no longer there to buy/ steal and there was no more laws to enforce. (Look at those in the camp. Nearly all of them wearing basic hand stiched clothing that look right at home in eastern affica.) You could probably be arrested for public indecency in MM1, but no longer in MM2. The Government (or the Central Bureacracy as it was known in the novel) simply was no longer there anymore.

[Major_Tom]

AdrianUK sez:


then the more a debate goes on like this one the more heated it tends to get.


Heyyy, didn't mean to come across heated, like a freshly baked cake. As i've mentioned before, its a symptom of not being able to hear the tone of each other or see each other, like text messaging.


A pitfall of the 21st century.