T3

[Interdictor]

I hadn't overlooked it, but at most it would reveal new alloy techniques. It was the CPU left from T1 that inspired Dyson to create the new advanced A.I. that went on to become Skynet. (in T2)


I liked the new idea that Skynet is now software, that it's everywhere, and can't be "shut down". I don't care how they get us there, I just want to see the actual battle in 2029, with Connor leading the war, the actual Time Displacement machinery, all that great backstory. I don't want to see a bit of "present day" in T4!

[DetritusMaximus]

Quote: Originally posted by PursuitSpecial on 23 July 2003






Then the thing that really bothered me was how they deviated from the T2 storyline. In T2 at the end they do away with everything that has to do with the new machines being built (the arm, arnold, the chip, and T1000) so judgement day won't happen. BUT they (and I think everyone has overlooked this but me) forget to destroy one thing! The arm that the terminator had crushed under a big wheel at the end of T2!


So instead of that dumb thing they had to make up (judgement day is inevitable) for T3, they could have just used his arm being found again from T2 like they did from T1 to T2.


Make sense?

I think the idea they were trying to get across is similiar to the concept in a science fiction-timetravel series I read called "With Fate Conspire". The premise is that 'history' is pretty much set from beginning to end and 'elastic', it is very hard to change. Meaning that major historical events will happen. You could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, but the Nazi's (or an equivalent) would still come to power, WWII (or an equivalent)would still happen. There could be considerable detail differences, but by the beginning of the 21st century, the net change in history would be negligable.


Evidence of this in T3 is the separation of Skynet from Terminator technology (if you accept the notion that all the technology was destroyed in the second film, and John Connor realising that he was supposed to get together with that girl (and meet her father). He met her at a party when he was ten, the night before the second Terminator showed up. History was changed at that point, but the 'elasticity' of the timeline required that they meet and for him to meet her father. I presume in either theoretical timeline, the significance of her father was related to John Connors surviving through the war.

[DetritusMaximus]

Or maybe they were all wrong and the Terminator technology was irrelevant. Or it was and in desytroying it, they prevented the future from being MUCH worse because of the 'jumpstart' it would have given Skynet.

[PursuitSpecial]

I think the most interesting thing is that how if the machines did a little research, then they would have figured out that if they didn't send back a machine to kill sara conner and her unborn son, then the humans wouldn't have had to send back John's dad, and John would have never been born. But I guess if that elasticity thing holds, then John would have been born anyways.


And the other big question...


Why do the machines only send back one of their kind at a time back in time? And why so few times?


They should have made up something for the movie that explained these limitations. Like how something could only be sent back at certain periods in time like every ten years (John would have been 0 in the first film, 10 in the second, and 20 in the third).

[rockatansky4073]

sh*t yeah - DICTOR, now that would be a f**kin movie.

[Anklecranker]

Another point to ponder.


Why do the machines need to kill with weapons and destruction? Why not gas the human population ?

[rockatansky4073]

cause it doesn't look good enough.

[Motar]

Well i saw it too and i thought it was cool,not as good as the first 2 parts no,and what i really hated was the part when there driving in the deser and Arnold trows out his thingy from his chest,the explosion lookst to computer made and at one part when driving u can see that the caris standing still and there using green or bleu screen,loved the jokes in the movie though,in the beginning with the strippers glasses is funny.and the talk to the hand 2


Cooler than Matrix reloaded!

[camchain]

A lot of the points raised here, are covered in the graphic novels. For example, in Terminator: Tempest, there are four snt back, including a prototype machine that was built out of a human. They also got around the "nothing dead" problem, by capturing a human, sewing a lazer gun inside him and riping it out when they reached the past.

[Anklecranker]

Loved the scene where Ahnuld wackes the bad Terminatrix with a urinal. Bam.