(VIDEO) How Mad Max Movies Were Made: Part 2

[Taipan]

Part 2 of my ramblings about the Mad Max series and how it was made.
In this part I'm talking about how Beyond Thunderdome and Fury Road were created with a good chunk of theorizing about Fury Road's meaning.
I hope you enjoy it!


https://youtu.be/B05sRyU6yy4

[Stef-Man]

Waw... great vid Taipan! Like the first one you posted earlier. Too bad the Ancient Man scene was not in Fury Road: made more sense than the Glory one that ended up in the final cut of the movie. The twisted development of Thunderdome is also very interesting to know. Very enlightening on the creative process of this film... Do you plan to do another video? I'd really like to see your take on the 2015 video game.

[Taipan]

Waw... great vid Taipan! Like the first one you posted earlier. Too bad the Ancient Man scene was not in Fury Road: made more sense than the Glory one that ended up in the final cut of the movie. The twisted development of Thunderdome is also very interesting to know. Very enlightening on the creative process of this film... Do you plan to do another video? I'd really like to see your take on the 2015 video game.

I'm glad you liked it!

I already made a video on Mad Max video game, just look up "The History of Mad Max Video Games" where I cover them all!

[Mad Serge]

You're (obviously) making the best Mad Max related videos out there.

And - in my opinion - he was also responsible for something really scummy when they were making MMBT and he never admitted to it, something that arguably ruined Thunderdome for a lot of people. I'll talk about that exact thing in my next video.

Yet in part 2 you showed a footage of Russell Hoban saying: "Somebody arranged for me to meet him (George Miller) and he took me out to dinner very nicely with his script writer (Terry Hayes)". I mean, it makes Miller equally responsible (if not more) as Hayes. Why do you "incriminate" the latter instead of the former (who isn't dumb and was probably turning a blind eye on it)? I'm curious since the evidence doesn't appear in the video so it's kind of unfair to make Hayes solely responsible.

[Taipan]

You're (obviously) making the best Mad Max related videos out there.

And - in my opinion - he was also responsible for something really scummy when they were making MMBT and he never admitted to it, something that arguably ruined Thunderdome for a lot of people. I'll talk about that exact thing in my next video.

Yet in part 2 you showed a footage of Russell Hoban saying: "Somebody arranged for me to meet him (George Miller) and he took me out to dinner very nicely with his script writer (Terry Hayes)". I mean, it makes Miller equally responsible (if not more) as Hayes. Why do you "incriminate" the latter instead of the former (who isn't dumb and was probably turning a blind eye on it)? I'm curious since the evidence doesn't appear in the video so it's kind of unfair to make Hayes solely responsible.

That's because before the release of the video I wasn't given permission to directly quote what some people involved in the production of Beyond Thunderdome had to say about Hayes. So I stuck with only evidence that's publicly available which is Hoban's statement. I also mentioned in a previous post of mine that it's really strange how 35 years since Beyond Thunderdome there's still people who don't want to come forward with those kind of statements. Maybe it's water under the bridge for them, maybe they still have some stakes in this but the stuff I heard could be boiled down to Hayes being a plagiarist.

[Mad Serge]

You're (obviously) making the best Mad Max related videos out there.

And - in my opinion - he was also responsible for something really scummy when they were making MMBT and he never admitted to it, something that arguably ruined Thunderdome for a lot of people. I'll talk about that exact thing in my next video.

Yet in part 2 you showed a footage of Russell Hoban saying: "Somebody arranged for me to meet him (George Miller) and he took me out to dinner very nicely with his script writer (Terry Hayes)". I mean, it makes Miller equally responsible (if not more) as Hayes. Why do you "incriminate" the latter instead of the former (who isn't dumb and was probably turning a blind eye on it)? I'm curious since the evidence doesn't appear in the video so it's kind of unfair to make Hayes solely responsible.

That's because before the release of the video I wasn't given permission to directly quote what some people involved in the production of Beyond Thunderdome had to say about Hayes. So I stuck with only evidence that's publicly available which is Hoban's statement. I also mentioned in a previous post of mine that it's really strange how 35 years since Beyond Thunderdome there's still people who don't want to come forward with those kind of statements. Maybe it's water under the bridge for them, maybe they still have some stakes in this but the stuff I heard could be boiled down to Hayes being a plagiarist.

I understand. My point is that Miller was involved as well given that he had dinner with Hoban. Miller is the creative director and was fully aware of it. It makes him responsible (an "accomplice") as well. Do you understand?

[Taipan]

I understand. My point is that Miller was involved as well given that he had dinner with Hoban. Miller is the creative director and was fully aware of it. It makes him responsible (an "accomplice") as well. Do you understand?

Yeah I get that. I have my own suspicions regarding Miller's creative process for the way he carries himself in interviews and how things are behind the scenes, he's most definitely not a saint you best believe that.

[Stef-Man]

Waw... great vid Taipan! Like the first one you posted earlier. Too bad the Ancient Man scene was not in Fury Road: made more sense than the Glory one that ended up in the final cut of the movie. The twisted development of Thunderdome is also very interesting to know. Very enlightening on the creative process of this film... Do you plan to do another video? I'd really like to see your take on the 2015 video game.

I'm glad you liked it!

I already made a video on Mad Max video game, just look up "The History of Mad Max Video Games" where I cover them all!

Oh I completely forgot you did that thanks man! I'll do my homeworks et watch it again

[RW-777]

You've missed some things.
Russell Hoban says in the unedited version of that interview here, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8XJ_LNF_lAkat 1:14.07 that he had a dinner arranged to meet George Miller during the
1986 Adelaide Festival of the Arts. It was actually 1984. So the script would've been finalized by then. And if it's Hayes' plagiarism or not, it's too late to change, I guess.
Also, Miller has stated that the comic book Jeremiah(1979) gave him the idea for the setting for Mad Max 2. Theres also an African-American female protagonist in that as well. He's also stated
that in the early 1970's, a friend of his went to live in Europe, and when they noticed Metal Hurlant on sale, thought that would be something that George would like, so they'd send him back copies every month.
You also neglected the information about the first drafts of Mad Max 1 being about a journo who reports on car crashes.

[Taipan]

You've missed some things.
Russell Hoban says in the unedited version of that interview here, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8XJ_LNF_lAkat 1:14.07 that he had a dinner arranged to meet George Miller during the
1986 Adelaide Festival of the Arts. It was actually 1984. So the script would've been finalized by then. And if it's Hayes' plagiarism or not, it's too late to change, I guess.
Also, Miller has stated that the comic book Jeremiah(1979) gave him the idea for the setting for Mad Max 2. Theres also an African-American female protagonist in that as well. He's also stated
that in the early 1970's, a friend of his went to live in Europe, and when they noticed Metal Hurlant on sale, thought that would be something that George would like, so they'd send him back copies every month.
You also neglected the information about the first drafts of Mad Max 1 being about a journo who reports on car crashes.

To be precise, Hoban met up with Miller in March 1984, they were still writing the script then and they were struggling with it. Riddley Walker's influence on the script is indisputable really, in early drafts of the script for MMBT some characters even had the same names as in the book, the tale was similar, the language, the main evil force in both is called Auntie etc.

I haven't heard about Jeremiah being an influence on Mad Max 2 but here's a direct quote from Weekend Review, December 1981 "Not-So-Mad Max":

"After it (Mad Max 1) was released, Miller and a former journalist, Terry Hayes, were using a friend's house at Merricks as a retreat while working on a new script. They would often take long walks where they frequently discussed the faults of Mad Max. But it was those walks which lead to "Mad Max 2". Hayes says a walk around Hastings was responsible for the central idea for the new film. 'There is a very small petro-chemical plant on an isthmus in Westernport Bay. We imagined that isolated plant in a world that had broken down, where oil was the only means of exchange (...) the first thought was to shoot the film at Hastings but it would have become a series of boat battles. So we compromised and settled for the centre of a salt-pan"

The information about Mad Max being about a journalist I gave in my first video, I didn't feel like repeating it again but there's even more to that story as it turns out. I'm not going to give it away because Melvin is going to put it in his book which will (hopefully!) come out this year but that bit proves that even the first core idea for Mad Max - as a journalist - was completely ripped off from somewhere else.