Question about Furiosa

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Mad Max RW wrote:Ripley did have an emotional bond with Newt, the little girl in Aliens. It was further developed in the Director's Cut where it's revealed she had a daughter, Amanda Ripley-McClaren, who died a grandmother while Ripley was in cryo. Then in Alien 3 she got a buzzcut while surrounded by rapists and murderers on an all-male prison planet. The character of Furiosa isn't really breaking new ground and their sexual preference is never questioned or necessary to the story. I'm not sure why in a futuristic post apocalyptic world it would matter. If they can make it work without seeming exploitative or pandering then go for it.
No, she wouldn't be breaking new ground as a female action hero - though a disabled one is fairly unique except for comic effect. But I abosultely think it would be breaking new ground were she a lesbian or identified as bisexual and not in a salacious or comical way. I think sexuality can be an important part of a character even when it doesn't define them, it could quite easily be a motivator for certain decisions and considering Furiosa seems a sympathetic character then that would be quite a remarkable and noteworthy decision by Miller, as the article MWFV8 has just linked states.

It's like if Batman were gay then he can still be Batman and still have the same motivation for attacking crime but his relationship with Cat Woman would change, his relationship - to an audience - with Robin could be seen as different and so on. The same with Furiosa. Were she to rescue these girls who are been oppressed by a dictotorial male in a seemingly patriarchal society, then what she would come to represent could be different were she in love with one of the girls for example or her reason for been masculinsed when they aren't in that society could have more reasoning behind it.

It's kind of like saying does it matter whether a black male is ever a lead action hero? No, it shouldn't matter but it's culturally significant when it happens and it changes our perception of what is happening. I am reading a lot into it but I'm assuming Miller is putting some level of depth into the film. He certainly has a habit of dealing with homosexuality in Max previously - in both the first and second films.
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pauli77 wrote:It's like if Batman were gay then he can still be Batman and still have the same motivation for attacking crime but his relationship with Cat Woman would change, his relationship - to an audience - with Robin could be seen as different and so on. The same with Furiosa. Were she to rescue these girls who are been oppressed by a dictotorial male in a seemingly patriarchal society, then what she would come to represent could be different were she in love with one of the girls for example or her reason for been masculinsed when they aren't in that society could have more reasoning behind it.

It's kind of like saying does it matter whether a black male is ever a lead action hero? No, it shouldn't matter but it's culturally significant when it happens and it changes our perception of what is happening.
There's a wealth of people within the industry and outside it that would love to see more stuff like this. However the big issue is the way movies, particularly blockbusters, make their money now. That's why so much has changed over the last two decades and we've gone backwards. Modern movies have to have mass generic appeal, globally, and sadly the audience out there isn't that progressive and liberal.

TV is the place risks are taken these days.

However, the buzz is that, thanks to online streaming, we're entering a very good time for risky independent movies.
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MWFV8 wrote:
pauli77 wrote:It's like if Batman were gay then he can still be Batman and still have the same motivation for attacking crime but his relationship with Cat Woman would change, his relationship - to an audience - with Robin could be seen as different and so on. The same with Furiosa. Were she to rescue these girls who are been oppressed by a dictotorial male in a seemingly patriarchal society, then what she would come to represent could be different were she in love with one of the girls for example or her reason for been masculinsed when they aren't in that society could have more reasoning behind it.

It's kind of like saying does it matter whether a black male is ever a lead action hero? No, it shouldn't matter but it's culturally significant when it happens and it changes our perception of what is happening.
There's a wealth of people within the industry and outside it that would love to see more stuff like this. However the big issue is the way movies, particularly blockbusters, make their money now. That's why so much has changed over the last two decades and we've gone backwards. Modern movies have to have mass generic appeal, globally, and sadly the audience out there isn't that progressive and liberal.

TV is the place risks are taken these days.

However, the buzz is that, thanks to online streaming, we're entering a very good time for risky independent movies.
Very true. Directors, writers and actors have to be smart though. You can add depth to a film and character in subtle ways. However, things often go in cycles and can change based on the success of just one film.
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You could say the same for Aunty Entity.

I'm sure Furiosa will develop some type of romantic attraction towards Max a-la Savanna Nix or even the Warrior Woman.
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Uncle Entity wrote:You could say the same for Aunty Entity.

I'm sure Furiosa will develop some type of romantic attraction towards Max a-la Savanna Nix or even the Warrior Woman.
She won't. Max and Furiosa have mutual respect for eachother, it's been mentioned in one of the reviews.
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Taipan wrote:
Uncle Entity wrote:You could say the same for Aunty Entity.

I'm sure Furiosa will develop some type of romantic attraction towards Max a-la Savanna Nix or even the Warrior Woman.
She won't. Max and Furiosa have mutual respect for eachother, it's been mentioned in one of the reviews.
Agreed. I'm thinking of that moment we see in the trailers where he offers her a hand. It's like two soldiers showing respect.

The movie doesn't seem heavy on sexuality so I'm not expecting her sexuality to be referenced but I still think there's opportunity for interpretation and the final film may give even more.
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Taipan wrote:
Uncle Entity wrote:You could say the same for Aunty Entity.

I'm sure Furiosa will develop some type of romantic attraction towards Max a-la Savanna Nix or even the Warrior Woman.
She won't. Max and Furiosa have mutual respect for eachother, it's been mentioned in one of the reviews.
Don't get me wrong. She will not show that explicitly.

I always "sensed" something from Warrior Woman, Aunty, Savannah... hidden. Towards Max.
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Uncle Entity wrote:
Taipan wrote:
Uncle Entity wrote:You could say the same for Aunty Entity.

I'm sure Furiosa will develop some type of romantic attraction towards Max a-la Savanna Nix or even the Warrior Woman.
She won't. Max and Furiosa have mutual respect for eachother, it's been mentioned in one of the reviews.
Don't get me wrong. She will not show that explicitly.

I always "sensed" something from Warrior Woman, Aunty, Savannah... hidden. Towards Max.
Possibly. I think Aunty and Furiosa will be very different. Aunty always felt superior to everyone. Even when she shows him respect at the end she calls him "raggedy man" which is a kind of playful insult. But there's a hint of flirtation at the end, no doubt.
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Possibly. I think Aunty and Furiosa will be very different. Aunty always felt superior to everyone. Even when she shows him respect at the end she calls him "raggedy man" which is a kind of playful insult. But there's a hint of flirtation at the end, no doubt.
IMHO, it was sexual attraction, not romantic feeling. And respect.

Instead, I just think Savannah fell in love with him... totally.

The Warrior Woman just liked him like man (he's handsome) and warrior (he's skilled).

Who knows Furiosa... I'm curious.
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Uncle Entity wrote:
Possibly. I think Aunty and Furiosa will be very different. Aunty always felt superior to everyone. Even when she shows him respect at the end she calls him "raggedy man" which is a kind of playful insult. But there's a hint of flirtation at the end, no doubt.
IMHO, it was sexual attraction, not romantic feeling. And respect.

Instead, I just think Savannah fell in love with him... totally.

The Warrior Woman just liked him like man (he's handsome) and warrior (he's skilled).

Who knows Furiosa... I'm curious.
Maybe, maybe. Tina certainly played it with flirtation. Warrior Woman found like so I wouldn't disagree with that either.

Neither of those were the centre of the film though and it feels Furiosa is. She has this huge burden, she's taken this huge risk with a big FU to Immortan and his attempt to confine females for his own sexual and hereditary reasons and in she storms to free them. I don't know. It's all very interesting. Can't wait to see how it plays out.
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