Fury Road - Timeline

[Mad Max RW]

leadcounsel's diatribes are disturbingly familiar to me. I think I've seen him on other forums.

[Mad_Diekhoff]

One thing I've noticed about George Miller, besides the fact that he is a genius who knows what he is doing whom I have 100% faith in, is that through various interviews over the years he seems to give conflicting information on purpose to feed speculation. I'm sure this is the case with fury road as well. We can't seem to get a straight answer on what this movie actually is. Depending on what article you read it's been called everything from an 'interquel' to a 'reimagining'. There is no definate answer, not even from Miller himself. Now I know many of you have seen advanced screenings but it seems to me like everything is being kept vague purposefully to cover up some sort of plot point that may come as a shock to longtime fans who love to speculate. Just my bit of intuition if you will.

Also let's not be too judgemental of Max's driving skills within the context of the new trailer. He was driving a V8 with rear wheel drive in the desert with at least one tire that was flat and stuffed with rubbish. Not easy.

[junkers88]

Watch the shot with the sound down.

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My initial thought was that this is Max - after waking up - taking a piss.
Look at the stance. The feet moving. Its a very unguarded moment - which is why its a great set up for the lizard kill.

Its such a great shot - that they've given it a new context in post production.
It maybe doesn't make a helluva lot of sense if you're struggling to conserve water - but...

[blackmocco]

leadcounsel's diatribes are disturbingly familiar to me. I think I've seen him on other forums.

Indeed. Is that you, Scojo...? Grud help this place if so.

[MWFV8]

Watch the shot with the sound down.

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My initial thought was that this is Max - after waking up - taking a piss.
Look at the stance. The feet moving. Its a very unguarded moment - which is why its a great set up for the lizard kill.

Its such a great shot - that they've given it a new context in post production.
It maybe doesn't make a helluva lot of sense if you're struggling to conserve water - but...

He looks like he's cleaning, carving, hacking something to me.

It is an iconic shot. It's so reminiscent of RoadWarrior yet suggesting something entirely new on the horizon.

[TheDarkOne#1]

No chance that MM4 at $100 million budget will even come close to making near the percent return of prior films. Might double in profit. Still an nice return, but far from what even MM1 did, which made $100 million and a franchise on basically a shoestring budget. Heck, the Star Wars newer episodes made several hundred million and MM4 won't even touch those films.

Offcourse Star Wars made more money, those movies have a totally different and bigger fanbase.

So, If I were king for the day and made MM4, I would have focused on story, reasonable budget, low cost strong actors, more story and writing, more acting, then some great stunt crew and drivers and mechanics, and then some more story, and then some more writing, and then finally sprinkle in some CGI where you MUST for cost/benefit and lower risk to add some flavor, etc. Could have been done for $30 million and still make a phenomenal film. I fear this was just a "throw a bunch of money into an Expendibles or Terminator 4 style" video game movie. The result, a big sloppy turd.

That's a bold statement for someone who hasn't even seen the movie.

I honestly love MM1 and MM2, as some of my all time favorite movies I grew up on. I want a great sequel. I want to love this more than anything. I am going to be hyper critical of it. And I'm not a blind fanboy who will accept mediocrity on my favorite movies... T3 and T4 sucked. Ruined the franchise. Star Wars I, II, and III sucked, ruining the franchise. Alien III, IV, etc. sucked, ruining the franchise. Predator II sucked. Indiana Jones IV sucked. All of these were long on CGI and action and explosions, but short on character and story and acting. Coincidence? No.

I want, i want ... when making a movie like this it's impossible to cater to everyone's desires. People are always quick to label others as fanboys. I reserve judgement until the actual movie comes out. Those movies may suck in your opinion but other people probably like em; remember taste is subjective.

The start of MM4 shows him as a desperate, helpless, inept victim. That's not the type of survivor hero that I admire. They've eroded his survivor toughness. They've eroded his key skill, which is as a 'driver.' They've (albeit purposefully) cut him down to nothing, again. That has already been done, 3/4 of the way through MM2. It was painful and difficult to accept and watch the BoB and his dog die and him to appear as outmatched on the road by Wez. But it was a necessary plot point.

Are we to believe the writers of MM4 had no level of creativity than resorting to the SAME plot point from 1981 MM2? They exhausted their creative resources, and decided the best plot point was to give him the BoB, then have him crash and ruin the BoB and he's a captive? That's the level of creativity that $100 million buys in Hollywood these days? Really? REALLY???

I think giving him the bob was more of a nod to the fans. And given we only saw a few minutes of footage, it's just too early to say how the storyline is going to progress. I'm sure there is going to be plenty of new material to make this movie original. I've seen people complain that they just wanted 'The Road Warrior' on a bigger budget. What if Miller did that, then people whould complain that they want something new and not a copy of the old one. People are just too damn difficult to please.

This is the SAME Max that killed the TC gang through better driving. Same Max that ran down and beat the Nightrider. Same Max that evaded capture from Wez in the beginning of MM2. Same Max that ran the tanker far enough to beat the Humungus gang. (Yes he did crash twice but still... isn't twice enough!?). Same Max that beat Auntie on the road, at least far enough to let others escape. Same Max that beat Blaster in Thunderdome. Now, he can't escape and gets rolled and captured... again. A tired, very very tired, plot crutch. Just pathetic.

Have you seen the bob? It's looking very tired in the beginning of the trailer. You can be a very good driver but that doesn't mean anything when your vehicle is nearing it's end.

[leadcounsel]

Have you seen the bob? It's looking very tired in the beginning of the trailer. You can be a very good driver but that doesn't mean anything when your vehicle is nearing it's end.

And this is what ticks me off the most. I love the BoB. My all-time favorite movie car. Loved it since I was 10. Have pictures with it. Would love to own one.

Watching it belch smoke, have a grass stuffed tire, and then get destroyed in such a way is reopening the old wound all over again from MM2.

What's the point of a nod to the fans, if you're just going to destroy the BoB again? New fans won't get it and be left with a poor opinion of the car. Old fans like me will hate reliving the unnecessary loss again, and it just complicates the storyline needlessly.

I really just don't see the point....

[Taipan]

Oh noes not the BoB! How did you manage to watch MMBT without BoB?! Oh the humanity! How will you handle BoB being destroyed again?
You best not find out about the Mad Max game cause the same thing happens to the Interceptor in it, you might not deal with that trauma.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: BoB was destroyed as a plot device for Max to rejoin the humanity. You expect him to roam the wastelands forever in that car? Never to shake off the death of his family and friends? That would make for a really boring movie and even worse character development, and the move to destroy BoB is a vehicle (no pun intended) to drive the story in the right way. The Interceptor was a crucial part of the first Mad Max, it served its purpose as a weapon for revenge. Further than that it became only a car Max tries to survive in. Your attachment to a fictional car is hilarious btw.

[pauli77]

Can we try and keep threads to what they're about. I made a reservations thread so people could post on there the issues with the film and there's a trailer thread for analysing the trailer.

You can start a new thread if you feel you need to but we've gone completely off topic lol.

[leadcounsel]

Oh noes not the BoB! How did you manage to watch MMBT without BoB?! Oh the humanity! How will you handle BoB being destroyed again?
You best not find out about the Mad Max game cause the same thing happens to the Interceptor in it, you might not deal with that trauma.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: BoB was destroyed as a plot device for Max to rejoin the humanity. You expect him to roam the wastelands forever in that car? Never to shake off the death of his family and friends? That would make for a really boring movie and even worse character development, and the move to destroy BoB is a vehicle (no pun intended) to drive the story in the right way. The Interceptor was a crucial part of the first Mad Max, it served its purpose as a weapon for revenge. Further than that it became only a car Max tries to survive in. Your attachment to a fictional car is hilarious btw.

Your personal attacks are tiresome, and a clear sign that you have poor arguing skills.

Assuming your line of reasoning has merit, then it could have been as easily accomplished with any car. The confusing having been eliminated, this COULD have been a sequel or prequel. I see no reason why this must be a reboot. Drop the BoB from the script, and put this pre or post MM3. Simple. Unless there is some other plot reason, which perhaps may develop.

But certainly Taipan, you're not the only one here entitled to an opinion. I saw these movies in the early 1980s, and have seen the originals a hundred times. You're not the owner of opinions on these films. And I have yet to read a single 'critical' post from you. Certainly that isn't with a critical eye if you don't have a single critical thing to say, or fear to express, given that a 3 min trailer does not a great movie make (like other franchises ruined by all flash and no story).